Legislature(2021 - 2022)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)

04/30/2021 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE

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+ SB 76 ABANDONED VEHICLES; PRIVATE PROPERTY TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 76 Out of Committee
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 17 ENERGY EFFICIENCY & POLICY: PUB. BLDGS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 17(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ HB 36 MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS: APPLIC.; INSURANCE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
        HB 36-MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS: APPLIC.; INSURANCE                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:06:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  COSTELLO   reconvened  the   meeting  and   announced  the                                                               
consideration  of  HOUSE BILL  NO.  36  "An  Act relating  to  an                                                               
application  for  a license  to  operate  as  a dealer  in  motor                                                               
vehicles; and  requiring a dealer  in motor vehicles  to maintain                                                               
liability and property insurance."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[SCS HB 36(TRA) was before the committee.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:06:19 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  MATT CLAMAN,  Alaska  State Legislature,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska,  sponsor of  HB  36,  introduced HB  36  speaking to  the                                                               
sponsor statement that read as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill  36   strengthens  Alaska's  motor  vehicle                                                                    
     dealer license requirements  by modernizing the statute                                                                    
     and incorporating reasonable  standards for obtaining a                                                                    
     motor   vehicle  dealer's   license  without   creating                                                                    
     barriers  to  entry  into   the  field  or  restricting                                                                    
     competition.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:41 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN continued:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's  current requirements  for  obtaining a  motor                                                                    
     vehicle  dealer's   license  are  some  of   the  least                                                                    
     stringent  in the  nation. Under  current law,  a motor                                                                    
     vehicle dealer  in Alaska  must register  biennially by                                                                    
     filling  out an  application,  pay  a $50  registration                                                                    
     fee, and maintain  a surety bond of $50,000.  By way of                                                                    
     comparison,  the  requirements   for  a  motor  vehicle                                                                    
     dealer's license in other states are more stringent:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        • Oregon  Chapter 822 of Oregon State Statutes                                                                          
          provides  for  civil  penalties for  acting  as  a                                                                    
          vehicle   dealer   without  a   certificate,   the                                                                    
          processes  of  applying  for  and  maintaining  an                                                                    
          automobile dealer license  and related exemptions,                                                                    
          requirements    and   privileges,    grounds   for                                                                    
          revocation,  suspension,  or cancellation  of  the                                                                    
          dealership   certificate,   and  further   defines                                                                    
          illegal practices and associated penalties.                                                                           
        • Delaware  Title 21, Chapter 63 of the Delaware                                                                        
          State  Statutes  provides  for  proof-of  location                                                                    
          requirements     and    recordkeeping,     license                                                                    
          expiration and  renewal procedures,  retainment of                                                                    
          bill  of sale  records for  a period  of at  least                                                                    
          five years,  and grounds for revocation  of dealer                                                                    
          licenses.                                                                                                             
        • Texas  Title 14, Subtitle A, Chapter 2301 of the                                                                      
          Occupations  Code  provides  for  public  interest                                                                    
          information  and  complaint procedures,  licensing                                                                    
          requirements,  license   expiration  and  renewal,                                                                    
          dealer operations, grounds  for license revocation                                                                    
          as  well  as  procedures for  complaint  hearings,                                                                    
          judicial review, and penalties.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Purchasing a car may be  one of the largest investments                                                                    
     a  consumer makes  in  their lifetime,  so  we need  to                                                                    
     ensure that reasonable standards  for becoming a dealer                                                                    
     are in  place as  well as financial  protections should                                                                    
     the sale not work out.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill 36  updates the  surety bond  requirement                                                                      
     which hasn't been changed in  20 years   to $100,000 to                                                                    
     stay  in  line  with   the  current  economics  of  the                                                                    
     automobile  industry.  Furthermore,  it  requires  that                                                                    
     dealers obtain liability  insurance. There is currently                                                                    
     no requirement  that dealers carry  liability insurance                                                                    
     even though  Alaska requires drivers to  have liability                                                                    
     insurance  for  their  vehiclesand  dealers  may  allow                                                                    
     uninsured  drivers to  take cars  for  test drives.  It                                                                    
     also  limits   ownership  of  persons  who   have  been                                                                    
     convicted of felonies for  fraud or embezzlement within                                                                    
     five  years  of  the   application  date.  Finally,  it                                                                    
     requires dealers  with employees  to confirm  that they                                                                    
     are   aware  of   associated   workers  comp   coverage                                                                    
     requirements.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  noted that  his office also  had questions                                                               
about the cost of the  proposed changes for dealers. Currently, a                                                               
$50,000 performance  bond costs from  $500 to $1,000.  A $100,000                                                               
auto  dealer's bond  costs from  $1,000  to $2,500  for a  year's                                                               
coverage. The  estimated cost of  insurance for a  small dealer's                                                               
policy is  approximately $2,500. This  is comparable to  the cost                                                               
for a new  business owner to purchase  general premises liability                                                               
for a restaurant, print shop, or retail store.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN summarized that the  purpose of HB 36 is to                                                               
establish reasonable  standards for  car dealer licensing  and to                                                               
reduce  the potential  for harm  through increased  bond amounts,                                                               
mandatory insurance,  and additional  disclosures that  hold auto                                                               
dealers more accountable under current statutes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:10:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SOPHIE  JONAS, Staff,  Representative Matt  Claman, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  presented  the sectional  analysis                                                               
for HB 36:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                                
     AS 08.66.030.  Form of application. Adds  the following                                                                    
     requirements to dealer registration applications:                                                                          
        • a valid telephone number for the business;                                                                            
        • a statement that no person holding a five percent                                                                     
          or  greater  interest  in the  business  has  been                                                                    
          convicted   of    a   felony    involving   fraud,                                                                    
          embezzlement,  or   misappropriation  of  property                                                                    
          within   five   years   preceding  the   date   of                                                                    
          application;                                                                                                          
        • a statement acknowledging that the applicant has                                                                      
          reviewed    the    requirements    for    workers'                                                                    
          compensation insurance and  will maintain workers'                                                                    
          compensation   insurance   under  AS   23.30,   if                                                                    
          applicable; and                                                                                                       
        • a copy of the liability insurance policy in                                                                           
          compliance with section 3 of this bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
     Section 2                                                                                                                
       AS 08.66.060. Bond. Raises the amount of the bond                                                                        
        required for dealer registration applicants from                                                                        
     $50,000 to $100,000.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
     Section 3                                                                                                                
     AS  08.66.085.  Insurance   requirements.  Adds  a  new                                                                    
     section to  AS 08.66 that requires  dealers to maintain                                                                    
     liability  insurance  for  bodily injury  and  property                                                                    
     damage.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:11:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked  for assurance that this would  not make it                                                               
more difficult  for small dealers  to do business. He  also asked                                                               
for the cost of a $50,000 to $100,000 bond.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  answered that  the current estimate  for a                                                               
$50,000 bond  is from $500 to  $1,000 per year and  the estimated                                                               
cost of  a $100,000 bond is  $1,000 to $2,500 per  year. He noted                                                               
that  the Division  of Insurance  regulates those  bonds and  Ms.                                                               
Wing-Heier  was  available  online to  answer  further  questions                                                               
about the  bonding. Responding  to the  first question  about the                                                               
effect on  small dealers, he  said he believes the  proposed bond                                                               
is  a  reasonable  cost  of  entry to  this  business.  The  bond                                                               
provides protection if there is  some unforeseen problem with the                                                               
vehicle and  it provides protection  in the event  that something                                                               
goes wrong after the sale.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COSTELLO turned to invited testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:14:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MARCUS   WAEHLER,  Board   Member,   Alaska  Automotive   Dealers                                                               
Association;  Owner,  Red White  &  Blue  Auto Sales,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska,  testified by  invitation on  HB 36.  He advised  that he                                                               
brought this concern to the  board's attention six or seven years                                                               
ago when  he noticed that many  of the buyers attending  used car                                                               
auctions  did not  have used  car businesses.  Rather, the  autos                                                               
were being sold on Craigslist  and were represented as being sold                                                               
by  private parties,  not  dealers.  Now when  he  goes to  these                                                               
auctions  the preponderance  of  buyers are  private parties.  He                                                               
recounted that he testified last week  that he sold four cars "as                                                               
is" at auction  that had not passed his  safety inspections. That                                                               
afternoon he  saw those same  vehicles for sale online  under the                                                               
guise of a private party.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WAEHLER said his goal in  bringing his concern forward was to                                                               
bring minimal standards to the  used car sales industry. He noted                                                               
that his research  of other states found many  rules for becoming                                                               
a dealer.  Alaska has  none of  those requirements.  Somebody can                                                               
pay $500 for a bond and  $75 for registration and be in business.                                                               
He  emphasized  that the  bill  is  not  intended  to make  it  a                                                               
financial  hardship  to become  a  dealer,  but rather  to  bring                                                               
minimal standards to the industry. HB 36 does that, he said.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:17:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS offered his understanding  that the only used car                                                               
auction in  Alaska is in Anchorage  and said his concern  is that                                                               
the  bill may  make  it  less likely  that  anybody  that is  not                                                               
connected to the  road system would enter the  used car business.                                                               
He asked if he knows of any other auctions in Alaska.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WAEHLER   said  there  are   small  auctions  that   pop  up                                                               
sporadically  in  Fairbanks, Kenai,  and  Wasilla,  but the  main                                                               
auction is in Anchorage. Auctions have also moved online.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:18:26 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE  ALLWINE, President  and General  Manager, Mendenhall  Auto                                                               
Center; Director, National  Automotive Dealers Association, Board                                                               
Member,  Alaska Automotive  Dealers Association,  Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
testified  in  support  of HB  36.  Addressing  Senator  Steven's                                                               
concern, he said  the board and membership in Alaska  is a little                                                               
different in  that it  is comprised  of large  and small  new and                                                               
used car dealers.  When Mr. Waehler brought  his concern forward,                                                               
the board wanted to make sure  that adding standards would not be                                                               
burdensome.  He  said  the  board  determined  that  the  changes                                                               
reflected in HB 36 would not create a barrier to competition.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALLWINE confirmed  that the issue is people  who are licensed                                                               
as a  dealer then hold themselves  out as a consumer  and sell to                                                               
other consumers. He  said a consumer who works with  a dealer who                                                               
properly represents himself as a  dealer has built in protections                                                               
when they purchase a vehicle.  However, those protections go away                                                               
on a consumer-to-consumer sale. The  intent of the legislation is                                                               
to ensure those  consumer protections. He added  that everyone is                                                               
aware the bill  will not eliminate the issue, but  it may slow it                                                               
down. We're saying,  "Do things right, take  the necessary steps,                                                               
make a reasonable investment, and then come into our business."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said  he was relying on his word  that HB 36 will                                                               
not be a barrier to competition.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO  opened public testimony  on HB 36;  finding none,                                                               
she closed  public testimony. She  asked if there  were questions                                                               
for Ms. Wing-Heier.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  asked  for  an explanation  of  the  change  in                                                               
bonding  and the  cost  to  purchase the  bond.  He restated  his                                                               
concern  about   not  imposing  a  financial   barrier  on  small                                                               
businesses in small communities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:22:08 PM                                                                                                                    
LORI WING-HEIER,  Director, Division of Insurance,  Department of                                                               
Commerce, Community and  Economic Development (DCCED), Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, said  she does not  see the bill as  a barrier. It  is an                                                               
increase in cost, but it  provides more protections for consumers                                                               
who  purchase  these  used  cars.   She  explained  that  a  bond                                                               
guarantees  that the  entity selling  or repairing  the car  will                                                               
have  the wherewithal  to follow  through  and do  the work.  She                                                               
explained  that insurance  looks at  three parts  of a  bond: the                                                               
character,  the  capacity, and  the  capital.  A person  in  good                                                               
standing enjoys the  lesser premium, and a new  business will see                                                               
the premium decrease as it builds reputation and business.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  asked how much  more a  bond would cost  a small                                                               
dealer if HB 36 were to pass.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER answered that a $50,000  bond for a person in good                                                               
standing costs about  $500 per year. That bond  would cost closer                                                               
to $1,000  for a new person  or business. The cost  of a $100,000                                                               
bond ranges from  $1,000 to $2,500 per year. The  reason the bill                                                               
increases the  bond is because  of increases  in the cost  of the                                                               
car and parts  and the capital a person should  have to operate a                                                               
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  if she  believes  HB 36  would present  a                                                               
barrier to someone in a smaller community.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  replied she didn't  think so because  the startup                                                               
costs for any  new business will be in line  with the numbers the                                                               
division gave to the sponsor for this bill.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COSTELLO informed  the members  that the  director of  the                                                               
Division  of Motor  Vehicles was  available to  answer questions.                                                               
She asked  Mr. Schmitz  if he was  aware of  the administration's                                                               
position on HB 36.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:26:13 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFFREY SCHMITZ,  Director, Division  of Motor  (DMV), Department                                                               
of  Administration  (DOA),  Anchorage, Alaska,  stated  that  the                                                               
division does not have a position on HB 36.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE offered  his perspective  that the  legislation                                                               
levels  the playing  field, sets  expectations, and  protects the                                                               
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:27:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON echoed  the previous  comments and  thanked                                                               
the sponsor for introducing the bill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  COSTELLO stated  that she  would  hold HB  36 for  further                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  

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SB 76 Letters of Support Received by 2021.04.20.pdf SL&C 4/30/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 76